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Greenwich gasholder plans part 2: Silvertown tunnel will mean large drop in possible homes

I covered plans for homes at the site of Greenwich’s Peninsulas gasholder a couple of days back. Greenwich Council are currently running a consultation on the issue. There’s a few interesting snippets I didn’t include in that post including the number of homes planned, depending on whether an exclusion zone remains, as well as if the Silvertown Tunnel is built or not.

Firstly, assuming the exclusion zone remains, the document reveals that constructing the Silvertown tunnel would see many hundreds less homes being able to be built at Greenwich Peninsula. 800 homes are seen if the tunnel is built (including 400 parking spaces – that’ll help with traffic). Yet if the tunnel doesn’t happen 1075 homes could be built.

There’s third scenario of how many home could be built if the exclusion zone in removed but the Tunnel is built. This gives a total of 1,540 homes.

Oddly, there is no fourth scenario presented of how many homes could be built if the exclusion zone is removed and the tunnel doesn’t go ahead. This would permit the largest number of homes and show the starkest difference of how many homes Silvertown will prevent being built, yet they have not included this. Why?

The document concedes building Silvertown will make pollution worse:

Looking through the hypothetical renders, as shown above, there’s no plans to retain the gasholder, despite this option being utilised to great effect in both London and across Europe. Cultural centres, new flats, parks and much more have been featured in ex-gasholders to great effect.

Crossing the Thames

Despite another 800 homes, at minimum, and possibly over 1500 there is again no mention of a pedestrian bridge over the Thames to the Isle of Dogs.  This scheme boosts new homes on Greenwich Peninsula to 21,500 and then there’s 7,500 at Charlton Riverside. Is a lifting bridge possible?

Improvements are planned to the cycle quietway through Boord Street. An improvement but this quietway over the Blackwall Approach leading to industrial sites, is far from pleasant.

Comments from industrial historian

Former Greenwich Peninsular Labour councillor Mary Mills left interesting comments on the gasholder on the other post, which I’ll repeat here:

“The holder is East Greenwich No.1. and when built was the largest holder ever built – only one other, in the US, has been built larger. It was built to revolutionary designs. I could explain at length – probably better elsewhere than here – that as well as its virtuoso engineering it embodies a number of more philosophical ideas and also in its deliberate austerity could be described as an early modern movement industrial building.

Some years ago English Heritage commissioned a report on London holders. The consultant recommended Old Kent Road No.13 for listing – and did not recommend EG No.1. (nor, by the way the very interesting OkR No.10.) or any others. Very recently this report has been revisited and as a result OkR13 has been listed and EG1 consigned for demolition. Others listed have been the Kings Cross holders and that at Vauxhall – basically because they have been seen on TV and are ‘loved’, whatever that means.

Very many holders have been preserved around Europe and elsewhere and there are many examples of good and revolutionary ideas. Can I suggest that the flats in the Dublin holder are rather closer to what could be done here than the ones at Kings Cross. Very many overseas industrial history enthusiasts are now coming to look at the remaining British holders (I am aware of people running tours!). What is happening with demolitions is a lack of imagination with hungry developers looking at sites. The gas industry with its tradition of secrecy does not help.”

“I am putting some information here about gas holders and their reuse and the East Greenwich holder
this contains a fairly recent article on gas holder reuse in Europe http://industrial-archaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/AIA-News-173-Summer-2015.pdf

This article dates from the 1890s and is by George Livesey, who designed the East Greenwich holder – it is his spin on holder design, and, sorry a bit technical.
http://marysgasbook.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/a-talk-on-development-of-gas-holder-by.html

Even more technical historically is the consultant’s report on gas holders in London – which was an internal English Heritage document which was not circulated to people –
like me – outside the industry. If anyone is aware of a web site which contains it please let me have it.

There is a lot more stuff which I can send anyone interested – I have pdfs of an entire conference on gasholder retention and reuse held in London two or three years ago- and a great deal of historical material.

I also have an enormous amount of material on George Livesey.”

The consultation can be filled in here.

 

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3 Comments

  1. Thanks for the quote but it has nothing to with my time as a councillor and everything to do with my PhD on the early gas industry (plus a never published biography of George Livesey and a vast body of work on the history of the Peninsula). Some of us have lives apart from the Council, you know

  2. what I did mean to remind you of was that by chance I am doing a talk for Lewisham Local History Society on Friday week 30th on the History of Gas in Greenwich. It starts with the then local authority having to resign because of a little problem with contracts. And will end with this consultation on EG1. Thanks for letting me take up some space

  3. Walt

    Steamtrains are remarkable piece of history as well, yet if I want to see them I go to a historic line in the countryside, don’t take them to run in zone 1 -2. So, personally I would like this unsightly thing to go, much useful space to be used.

    Of course I realise that this argument is less powerful in the current light of southeastern’s performance; maybe steam trains would run better.

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