Abbey Wood Crossrail bus route change cancelled – for now

Plans to switch the 469 route in Abbey Wood and Belvedere in relation with widespread Crossrail bus changes have been halted.

Plans were first announced some years ago as part of a wide ranging reworking of services. It was then revealed last week that the change on route 469 would go ahead – though that is now apparently on hold again. Plans would have seen the bus avoid part of Abbey Wood and heading down New Road towards the station. Click below for a larger view:

Bus changes in 2018. Not all have occurred

News of no change follows the 180s planned permanent diversion from Lewisham to north Greenwich being postponed as a new operator commences in October 2021 using electric buses.

Other changes announced in 2018 such as extending the 472 from Thamesmead to Abbey Wood and a curtailed B11 have also not yet occurred. New bus route 301 did begin operation linking Bexleyheath to Abbey Wood station, before running to Thamesmead and Woolwich.

There are plans to extended that to Charlton when new homes on the Charlton Riverside masterplan site complete.

17 thoughts on “Abbey Wood Crossrail bus route change cancelled – for now

  • January 21, 2021 at 4:21 pm
    Permalink

    Hope they cancel the 180 changes too. You know, the one that will go to North Greenwich instead of Lewisham because Crossrail will be going to East London. Send answers as to how the 2 are related to TfL as I don’t think they have any.

    I wrote to Pennycook but he just said he may look into it, possibly, perhaps, and never heard anything else.

    Reply
    • January 22, 2021 at 10:36 am
      Permalink

      Sadly JR you are not likely too from either of the Greenwich Boroughs two Labour MP’s.

      Reply
    • January 24, 2021 at 5:06 pm
      Permalink

      I sent an email to Matthew Pennycook regarding the ridiculous 180 changes and asked him if he could raise the issue of amending the changes whereby a compromise is met.

      The 180 runs from Lewisham to Plumstead, while a new 480 runs from NG to Erith Quarry, he said he would look into it as a possibility but not heard anything further, personally the 180 doesn’t need to be changed and I think the general consensus is that the majority aren’t in favour of any changes

      Reply
  • January 21, 2021 at 5:35 pm
    Permalink

    I agree I think route 180 should remain Belvedere Industrial Estate to Lewisham Centre as at present.

    A new bus route could be introduced to serve the new Erith quarry housing development running between Erith quarry and North Greenwich stationn as part of bus services improvemennts while serving new developments at Thamesmead Woolwich Charlton.and Greenwich Peninsula.

    This new bus route could be introdued ahead of crossrail opening as crossrail is now dealyed to 2022 and could be delayed again beyond this date.

    Reply
  • January 22, 2021 at 10:07 am
    Permalink

    I agree I think route 180 should stay as it is between Belvedere and Lewisham so Lower Charlton and East Greenwich keep there bus link to Lewisham. A new bus route operating between Erith Quarry Housing Development and North Greenwich Station could be introduced.

    I think there is also still scope to extend routes 129 291 and 335 a little with in the Borough as these three routes are relatively short and use double deckers.

    I also still think the extension of route 129 to Lewisham should still go a head to take pressure off of route 108 between Lewisham and North Greenwich station. as originally planned regardless of when crossrail finally opens as route 129 will not be serving a new crossrail station as part of the route.

    Reply
    • January 24, 2021 at 9:52 pm
      Permalink

      We really do need a bus from Upper Belvedere to Abbey Wood Station with Crossraiil. It is has been a problem for years. Get this 469 bus route up and running as soon as possible.

      Reply
  • January 22, 2021 at 11:01 am
    Permalink

    I thought TFL may have considered extending routes 469 or B12 from Erith Town Centre to serve the new Erith Quarry housing development.

    As route 469 would serve the new crosssrail stations at both Abbey Wood and Woolwich.

    Route B12 would link the housing development with Erith and Bexleyheath Town Centres.

    Reply
  • January 22, 2021 at 12:11 pm
    Permalink

    As stated above the 180 change has been postponed with a new contract starting in October on the current route.

    Reply
  • January 22, 2021 at 12:57 pm
    Permalink

    How about extending the 301 via Woolwich Arsenal Station and the proposed rerouting of the 161 via The Woolwich Centre then towards Charlton Station then either via Peninsular Park Road (following the 472) or Charlton, Victoria Way (following the 161) then to North Greenwich. Then, towards Bexleyheath, the route could be extended to Erith Quarry Housing Development. (don’t know what would be the quickest route from Bexleyheath to Erith Quarry Housing Development) It may require more buses and it will be long distance but, that way, it will combine some of the proposals and serves two Development sites.

    Reply
  • January 22, 2021 at 1:05 pm
    Permalink

    Also, I do agree with the extension of routes 469 or B12 from Erith Town Centre to serve the new Erith Quarry housing development; the 291 extension (possibly to Lewisham Station/Lewisham, Shopping centre (as it was before) via Shooters Hill Road / Well Hall Road, Shooters Hill Road / Kidbrooke Park Road, Lee Green and Belmont Hill) and the extension of route 129 to Lewisham.

    Reply
  • January 23, 2021 at 11:34 am
    Permalink

    Jasper, I do believe route 291 could easily be extended back to Lewisham as it did many years ago I would change the routing slightly from the old routing. So route 291 operated via Baker Road, Shooters Hill Road, Well Hall Road, Rochester Way, Kidbrooke Park Road then back on the old routing via Lee Green to Lewisham.

    Would provide new links for Rochester Way to Woolwich, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Lewisham. While providing extra bus capacity at Kidbrooke Village as the development continues to grow. With a new developmenst planned on the site of the Old Thomas Tallis School and at sites on the Brook Estate off of Rochester Way.

    Reply
  • January 23, 2021 at 12:44 pm
    Permalink

    @jasper I think the quickest way to operate a bus route between Erith Quarry Housing Development and North Greenwich Station would be via the old 99 routing between Erith Town Centre and Woolwich via Bostall Hill. Then on to North Greenwich Station via route 472. .
    @CDT The extension of route 291 to Lewisham via Rochester Way in Kidbrooke would work really well and provide the new bus links needed to Woolwich, Queen Elizabeth Hospital and Lewisham for this area.

    Reply
  • January 23, 2021 at 2:25 pm
    Permalink

    Let’s just clear this all up once and for all.

    None of the changes planned have been cancelled. They will all go ahead when Crossrail opens. These changes are linked to the opening of Crossrail so will not happen until the rail line opens. The 301 was the only change that occurred early and that was a standalone change.

    The 469 was a different issue in that the operator was issued with the incorrect specification detailing the new routing. This mistake was then realised and corrected. The only resultant issue is that the route will be operating on incorrect schedules for the next few weeks while the new ones are compiled and uploaded so you may find that buses will have to hold for a few minutes on Abbey Road so that they are on time – as they are scheduled to go on the new routing but not doing so in practice. This will be resolved when new schedules are uploaded in a few weeks. The planned change to the route is very much still going ahead and will happen when Crossrail opens – along with all the other changes.

    Reply
  • January 23, 2021 at 2:48 pm
    Permalink

    Yes however, local people do not want the changes planned for route 180 to happen at all and made this clear at the time of the consultation.

    They want route 180 to remain Belvedere Industrial Estate to Lewisham Centre as now regarless of if crossrail opens or not.

    But as usual TFL and Sadiq Khan Mayor of London do not listen to the travelling public and ignore us as usual.

    Reply
  • January 23, 2021 at 4:16 pm
    Permalink

    @ Bus Operations Controller.

    Thank you for the update on route 469.

    However, I agree with Kevin I think a new Route between Erth Quarry and North Greenwich Station via route 99 to Woolwich and then 472 to North Greenwich Station. would be better and provide a faster direct route.

    Leaving route 180 as it currenttly is..

    Reply
  • January 24, 2021 at 12:53 am
    Permalink

    To be honest the whole public transport infrastructure needs reviewing due to the large amount of homes already built, under construction and planned in the near future for all three Boroughs of Bexley Greenwich and Lewisham.

    More bus routes will be needed to meet demand along with improved services on both the DLR and railways.

    Reply
  • January 24, 2021 at 12:14 pm
    Permalink

    @Kevin Yes totally agree,

    Reply

Leave a Reply

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

This website uses cookies and asks your personal data to enhance your browsing experience.