Southeastern and DfT seek feedback on possible new trains

A survey has been launched by Southeastern and the Department for Transport on potential new trains.

The bulk of Southeastern’s Metro fleet remains the Class 465 and 466 Networker which reached 30 years of age last year.

Despite the survey now open, the Department for Transport has not signed off on any new stock to replace all the Networkers and given they’ve ordered cuts across the network which now sees mass levels of understaffing at stations alongside service cuts we probably shouldn’t get our hopes up for any approval.

Woolwich Arsenal sees minimal staffing for a busy station.

At the time of writing around 50 stations were lacking normal staffing levels according to Southeastern’s website – and normal levels are already very low at most stations.

The Treasury and in turn the Department for Transport – who control Southeastern – continue to seek cost cutting. All fare revenue also goes directly to the Treasury.

Delays to SWR trains have hampered stock cascades

Last year Southeastern announced a tender for new stock – though newly built stock or some moved from elsewhere was both on the table. An introductory date of 2027 was given, by which time the Networkers will be 25 years old.

But a tender is just that. Seeking responses from manufacturers. That’s a different ball game to it being signed off by the Treasury.

Bubbling floors on Networkers a common site. Neglect visible on many

The company are due to receive 12 more “City Beam” trains – though that is but a fraction of Networkers still in daily use.





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4 thoughts on “Southeastern and DfT seek feedback on possible new trains

  • It’s beyond me how we have one of the most expensive train fares in the world and yet they struggle to keep up the maintenance and deliver a decent service.

  • Minor point, but the networker trains will be approaching 35 years old in 2027, not 25. Either way, they haven’t held up well

  • Well they should get rid of the old ones altogether and get class 707s or maybe 717s.


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